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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:46 pm

How long do you ferment and how long do you chill?
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Nesto » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:42 am

Mashman wrote:How long do you ferment and how long do you chill?

14 days in primary is usually enough. I cold crash down to 10 over 2 days - not all at once, but I try to do it gradually.
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:49 am

How long does fermentation typically take and those temperature? And how long do you leave it in the fermenter ?

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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Nesto » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:12 pm

Get to terminal gravity in about 10 days. Keg it after cold crash at 14-16 days.
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:04 pm

Thanks, will post when I brew the Saison
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:39 pm

Keep looking at this recipe and am beginning to drool. Soon baby, soon.
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Nesto » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:42 am

Mashman wrote:Keep looking at this recipe and am beginning to drool. Soon baby, soon.


Don't wait too long! Most Saison yeasts like the warm temps :)
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:36 am

I have a holiday first two weeks of september, I plan to brew it then. I have a temperature controlled brew fridge so should be ok. I just need to source the yeast. I have everything else.
How critical is this yeast? I usualy use dried yeasts?
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Nesto » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:27 pm

Mashman wrote:I have a holiday first two weeks of september, I plan to brew it then. I have a temperature controlled brew fridge so should be ok. I just need to source the yeast. I have everything else.
How critical is this yeast? I usualy use dried yeasts?

The yeast is critical - a lot of the character of a Saison comes from yeast. That said, I haven't tried any of the dry yeasts for a Saison, so don't know how they do. Google what you are going to use and I'm sure you'll find some discussions about the character that gets expressed.
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby kloekus » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:44 pm

The real Saison yeast is the Dupont yeast which is available in liquid form (Wyeast 3724). This yeast gives the real earthy, acid, fruity, spicy flavors and taste for which I like the Saison-style. The downside of this yeast that it needs high temperatures, tends to stop at a rather high gravity (1035) and then slowly proceeds to low in the 1005-1010. This can take weeks.

A dry alternative for this yeast is the Belle Saison (Danstar) which I have used a few times. It finishes fermentation in two weeks at room temperature and goes down to apparent attenuations close to 100%. It gives the acidity and freshness of the Dupont yeast but I miss the earthy and spicy notes which I really like.

An alternative dry yeast is the Mangrove M27 Belgian Ale. I have not used it yet but I hear enthousiastic stories about this one (spicy, fruity, peppery)
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Avispartner » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:42 pm

kloekus wrote:A dry alternative for this yeast is the Belle Saison (Danstar) which I have used a few times. It finishes fermentation in two weeks at room temperature and goes down to apparent attenuations close to 100%. It gives the acidity and freshness of the Dupont yeast but I miss the earthy and spicy notes which I really like.

An alternative dry yeast is the Mangrove M27 Belgian Ale. I have not used it yet but I hear enthousiastic stories about this one (spicy, fruity, peppery)


I can confirm these comments regarding Belle Saison. I do like my Saison I recently brewed (although a little undercarbonated), but I definitely also miss the earthy and spicy notes.

Haven't tried the Mangrove M27 yet, thanks for this hint.

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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:20 pm

Hey Nesto

Brewed this yesterday as per recipe. Found out today I will be working away next week so will not be able to follow temperature guidelines, will ramp it up a bit quicker over the weekend and then either leave to reduce temp over the next week or bring it back to the low twenties Monday am before I hit the road.
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Nesto » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:02 am

Mashman wrote:Hey Nesto

Brewed this yesterday as per recipe. Found out today I will be working away next week so will not be able to follow temperature guidelines, will ramp it up a bit quicker over the weekend and then either leave to reduce temp over the next week or bring it back to the low twenties Monday am before I hit the road.

Which yeast did you end up picking?
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Mashman » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:53 am

WLP 568
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Re: Special Saison

Unread postby Nesto » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:12 am

Mashman wrote:WLP 568

My favorite! Although Wyeast's new Private Collection 3031 (Saison-Brett blend) might end up being a new fav. I picked up 2 smack packs from a friend who went to the Craft Brewers Conference - it was the Mt Adams Blend and has turned out delicious.
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