120cm Bac Springer

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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby chastuck » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:05 am

Well, I don't know what artic bore hole you get your cooling water from, but your cooling times of 6-7 mins seem quite remarkable for an IC. When I bought my 50L BM I also purchased the stainless steel IC as well. It always took a good 45 - 60 mins to get it anywhere near 20C, which is why I use the CFC from my 3V system. Even using this it still takes 20 mins to run through and chill a 50L batch.

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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby MattSR » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:34 am

Thats similar to my experiences...
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby BarnBrian » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:15 pm

So to get back to my original question, are springers the way to go?
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby grooves » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:27 pm

I love my springer - it not only filters, but acts as a dip tube so it drains out much more wort with resorting to tipping the BM. It leaves about 2l in the BM as opposed to 5l. I use some of the remaining wort in the BM for a hydrometer OG reading.

The flow of wort under gravity alone through the filter can be low - but I use a plate chiller so this allows me to chill to pitching temperature while draining the BM just by controlling the flow of water.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby IPA » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:32 pm

mashy wrote:I think we might be talking about different things.
Efficency in time, or temp or water use.

I get boiling to 20c in 6 - 7 mins. Slower in the summer faster in the winter. Using 45 - 60 liters generally. Which is retained for clean up. You cannot go cooler than the incoming temp. Jaded report similar figures.


You can cool 50 litres from boiling to 20° in six to seven minutes using an immersion chiller ? Can you by chance walk on water.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby mashy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:13 pm

Never said I could.

BarnBrian.

Back on topic.

After I read "Brewing Better Beer: Master Lessons for Advanced Homebrewers" by Gordon Strong, I changed my hop programs and the results have been good. What are you trying to get to ...more bitter, more hop flavour, more rounded or cleaner wort ?

PS its a good read - well worth the money and very readable.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby BarnBrian » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:36 pm

Mashy
I'm after more bitterness mainly. Doing double volumes the hop spider tends to be a bit full so not getting much movement with the hops. I figured as my boil is about 35 litres the spider might be the way to go.
I'll take your advice and order the book.

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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby chastuck » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:59 pm

I bought the book as well. And also his "Brewing better Beer", which has a great chapter on water treatment. As mashy said, his books are a very worthwhile buy.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby mashy » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:18 am

BarnBrian wrote:Mashy
I'm after more bitterness mainly.

Brian


I would consider my choice of bittering hops too.

The mangrove jack sits nicely on the side or on the bottom. I lift and drain mine a couple of time to change the water during the boil.

I have a modded one that sits on the centre rod too. They are a nice courser mesh. Some spiders are too fine imo.

£35 isn't a crime either.

I didn't change my recipes.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby Trenfield » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:55 am

120cm Bac Springer

The instruction sheet for the Springer says to use as long an outlet hose as you can, to obtain a good siphon and avoid Irish moss style finings. Is that a good Idea.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby mashy » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:30 pm

The springer.. No.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby RobW » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:10 am

Trenfield wrote:120cm Bac Springer

The instruction sheet for the Springer says to use as long an outlet hose as you can, to obtain a good siphon and avoid Irish moss style finings. Is that a good Idea.


I've found that it's good to have a tiny bit of stretch in the Springer otherwise it drains very slowly (even with a pump).
Obviously you don't want wide open gaps but if the coils are fully compacted there's not much space for the wort to escape.
Apparently the Springer can vary in length so you would need to tune yours for maximum efficiency.
In my BM20 I push the end of the Springer in to the end of the flair on the T piece and that seems to work well.
If I only have it 5 mm or so from the end it takes for ever.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby Everhopfull » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:09 am

Trenfield wrote:120cm Bac Springer

The instruction sheet for the Springer says to use as long an outlet hose as you can, to obtain a good siphon and avoid Irish moss style finings. Is that a good Idea.


I found a longer outlet hose produced a better syphon effect( quicker drain). My outlet hose is about 800mm. I use protofloc without any issues.
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby mashy » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:00 pm

How clean does wort have to be ?
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Re: 120cm Bac Springer

Unread postby IPA » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:00 am

mashy wrote:How clean does wort have to be ?



I use Protofloc added 15 mins from end of boil and whole leaf hops loose in the wort and the Springer copes with that just fine with no pump and no stretching just a drop of 80 cm into the FV . Boiling to 21° in a single pass and only two litres left behind in a 50 litre BM.
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