Braumeister as a distillation vessel

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Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby fy0d0r » Wed May 07, 2014 7:52 am

Guys,

What do you think about an idea of using the BM as a hard liquor distillation vessel?

If you put a distillation chiller on top of BM and seal it with some gasket and clamps (or even by the rope tied to the BM handles)

From my perspective:
Pros:
- fine temp control
- time programming
- pumps for circulation (at the initial stages)
- decent volume (in comparison to pressure cooker for example)
- you can use the tube and mesh to filter out the particles from the must (and wash + pull them out before distillation)

Cons
- potential scorching from heating elements (most advanced distillers use steam for heating) - can be avoided by running pumps at the initial stages

As an extreme one can use BM as all-in-one vessel to prepare wort + ferment + distill without any transfers
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby cpa4ny » Wed May 07, 2014 8:12 am

Nothing is new under the sun :beer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaVL2PlzM8g
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby niels » Wed May 07, 2014 9:59 am

cpa4ny wrote:Nothing is new under the sun :beer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaVL2PlzM8g

I will need some translation to get the full context of the video :)

But it looks like a very nice implementation of the idea!

Niels

EDIT: I just checked out some other videos of the guy and it looks like he has a lot of useful things to tell. Unfortunately I will not be able to convince my girlfriend to translate it all for me :(
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby fy0d0r » Wed May 07, 2014 11:29 am

Oh, i thought I was the first one :D

The lid setup on the video involves 60mm (3"?) TriClamp fitting welded to 3mm steel plate, standard Speidel pipe gasket and a clamp from the plastic barrel.

Distillation or rectification column (flute) with TriClamp fitting, available from various sites can be attached to the lid.
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby fy0d0r » Tue May 27, 2014 10:35 am

I've done some research since then and a barrel clamp/gasket can be replaced with cut silicon tube and (potentially) paper clamps.

You will still need to make/buy a new lid though
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby Cervantes » Tue May 27, 2014 10:42 am

At present I don't get enough time to brew the beer I'd like to, but one day when time allows I'm going to give this a go.
Cheers :cheers:
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby Tipsy » Wed May 28, 2014 6:20 am

I'd be worried about the element cycling on/off even if set to 102c.

Makes a still very difficult to run.
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby Cervantes » Wed May 28, 2014 6:24 am

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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby Tipsy » Wed May 28, 2014 6:39 am

You can work a still that cycles, it just doesn't work that well.
Most stills will need the mash boiling as the different alcohols stack in the column and are taken off by the use of a valve or reflux condenser.

Mine uses reflux and has a voltage controller for the boil.

Mines about half way down the page.

http://aussiedistiller.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6014

Pot stills work differently but cycling would make them hard to control as well
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby niels » Wed May 28, 2014 6:43 am

Tipsy wrote:You can work a still that cycles, it just doesn't work that well.

I have no knowledge about stills (except for the documentary about Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton), but couldn't you just run the BM in manual mode and keep the heating element on all the time?

What is the temperature range needed for distilling?

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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby fy0d0r » Wed May 28, 2014 8:04 am

You need up to 90C for different stages

It should work fine for thin/filtered mashes as thick can scorch.

Most advanced approach for thick mashes would be to take out the valve, insert the bubbler and use the overheated vapour from separate vessel to heat the mas, bu that' the totally different story...

P.S. There is a nice "documentary" called "The Moonshiners" on the subject
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Re: Braumeister as a distillation vessel

Unread postby Tipsy » Fri May 30, 2014 6:10 am

niels wrote:
Tipsy wrote:You can work a still that cycles, it just doesn't work that well.

I have no knowledge about stills (except for the documentary about Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton), but couldn't you just run the BM in manual mode and keep the heating element on all the time?

What is the temperature range needed for distilling?

Niels


The temperature needs to get to around 90 like fy0d0r says, but that is the temperature at the still head.
So the wash/mash would need to keep boiling and if it got to 102c and the element cut out the temperature in the still head may fluctuate making it hard to run.

I find it funny that people want to use an expensive piece of equipment as a boiler when for a couple of hundred bucks you could have one more suited to the job. :cheers:
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