Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

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Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby fy0d0r » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:40 am

I brewed a RIS this Sunday, ended up with 30L of 26.2P (1.111) wort (28L in the fermenter + 2L frozen for krauzening).

Decided to have a triple 1.3L starter of WLP007 to have a decent pitch rate

Put it all in my 50L open fermenter thinking that all the krausen should fit in the headspace of my half-empty fermenter.

In about 12 hours I've realized that I was terribly wrong:
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After cleaning the initial mess and spraying the krausen and everything around with alcohol to settle it back I've left for work, but put a small container beneath "just in case".

This is what happened in about 14 hours once I was back:
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby niels » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:01 am

Auch man, that sucks big time!

I spilled some beer last week because I forgot to close the spigot of my bottling bucket (yes, I am a bit dumb at times) and I was already cursing like crazy. :evil:

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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby Sportyone » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:15 am

Hi,

Is this a case of over-pitching, or too small a fermenter, just want to know, so I can avoid this.
How much head space should normally be left in fermenter, I'm hoping to put 50 litres wort into 60l fermenter.
Would that be ok.
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby niels » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:36 am

Sportyone wrote:Hi,

Is this a case of over-pitching, or too small a fermenter, just want to know, so I can avoid this.
How much head space should normally be left in fermenter, I'm hoping to put 50 litres wort into 60l fermenter.
Would that be ok.

I normally take 30% headspace without any problems so far.

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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby fy0d0r » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:48 am

+1 for 30% for "regular" beers (1.040-1.060)

Mine case is deliberate overpitching (due to extreme OG), and I was a bit naive to expect 50% headspace to be enough.

You can go FermCapS route to avoid volcanos like mine...
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby hughjampton » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:10 pm

I like WLP007 a lot. I used it recently in an ordinary bitter and it took off like a bucket full of piranhas. I was almost too scared to get near the FV in case it took my hand off. I got 80% attenuation in 5 days. It dropped as clear as a bell and left a good clean, dry flavour. Good stuff.
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby dinnerstick » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:59 pm

i doubt even fermcap would have helped your volcano much...
how did you make the 1.111 wort?
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby cpa4ny » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:14 am

Mt Vesuvius in action! :shock:

I am firm believer in FermCapS (pun not intended) - it definitely would've helped.

Sorry about that Fyodor - I also really hate loosing beer due to a blow-off like that.

How long do you plan on ageing the beer?
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby dinnerstick » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:19 am

cpa4ny wrote:I am firm believer in FermCapS


me too by the way, it's great stuff and has basically no negative side to it. for beneluxers the brouwland 'anti-schuim' is EXACTLY the same thing, i have the two bottles side by side. i find that a huge explosive ferment like this is still hard to control but you're probably right it would have helped
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby fy0d0r » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:29 am

dinnerstick wrote:i doubt even fermcap would have helped your volcano much...


Well, probably it all depends on the volume to be used...
I use it for the starters all the time as I combine a stirplate with air compressor and can't avoid foaming without it.

But I've never used FrmCapS in my fermenters as I'm a bit worried on potential head-retention side effects.

dinnerstick wrote:how did you make the 1.111 wort?

I've double-mashed (details here)

cpa4ny wrote:How long do you plan on ageing the beer?

Initial plan is 6 months at least, even more for some of the bottles as I'm planning to add some Bretts to it
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby royco » Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:43 am

fy0d0r wrote:
dinnerstick wrote:i doubt even fermcap would have helped your volcano much...


Well, probably it all depends on the volume to be used...
I use it for the starters all the time as I combine a stirplate with air compressor and can't avoid foaming without it.

But I've never used FrmCapS in my fermenters as I'm a bit worried on potential head-retention side effects.

That is the most spectacular eruption I've seen!
Re FermCapS; just used them for the first time for a Wit. Also nervous about the head, but it turned out great, with a big, obstinate head.
Incidentally, I was really worried when I blasted the shyte out of the wort with oxygen and got almost no foam whatsoever. Thought I had killed it.
BTW, only used it for the oxygenation stage, but surely it would carry over to the fermenter? I only got about 50mm krausen

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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby fy0d0r » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:55 am

May try it next time.

How much did you use ?
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby Elderberry » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:34 pm

niels wrote:I spilled some beer last week because I forgot to close the spigot of my bottling bucket (yes, I am a bit dumb at times) and I was already cursing like crazy. :evil:


I've done that more than once.
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Re: Runaway RIS Brew AKA "The Magic Porridge Pot"

Unread postby dinnerstick » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:09 pm

i always use fermcap if the beer is a tight fit in the fermenter (like the RIS in question was not!), and as i sometimes ferment in corny kegs it is often tight. i use it per instructions, i forget at the moment but something like a droplet per 2 liters? there is no problem with head retention, i promise!
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