Low DO brewing method..a new approach

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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby wobdee » Fri May 11, 2018 3:49 pm

The pump device kit is now available in the US at www.bwcequipment.com
$150 plus shipping, I ordered mine today.
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby homoeccentricus » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:48 am

The low oxygen toolkit is available: https://shop.speidels-braumeister.de/en ... ob-set-20l
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby uk_brewer » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:32 pm

Wonder when it will available at more beer
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby Onthebrew » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:18 pm

I was thinking about trying a larger/pils for the first time.

i see on the spiedel site they recommend the low oxygen approach. The low oxygen toolkit looks only to be compatible with the new BM with cooling sleeve but not previous ones as far as i can tell so not sure it would be of any use.

The whole low Oxygen thing puts me of having a go at a lager. i can only think that it came about because traditional home brew methods were falling short in terms of delivering a quality product. If what I end up is inferior in taste to half decent commercial brands like Heineken/kronenburg then whats the point?

i quite like a can of Heineken every now and then- sort of a pallet cleaner after overdoing it on american pales and IPAs. Also, despite my greatest efforts thus far, lager is what most of my friends still drink so id like to be able to show them that home brew can deliver as good or better results than the usual commercial choices. i was thinking of trying the fast lager method too - has anyone had any joy with this- can it produce commercial Quality lager? without low oxygen approach?

I was dissappointed with my Krolsh attempt- tasted like cheap lager. so if i am to bother i would want to be able to deliver something clean crisp and malty.

Thoughts anyone?
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby Onthebrew » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:19 pm

I was thinking about trying a larger/pils for the first time.

i see on the spiedel site they recommend the low oxygen approach. The low oxygen toolkit looks only to be compatible with the new BM with cooling sleeve but not previous ones as far as i can tell so not sure it would be of any use.

The whole low Oxygen thing puts me of having a go at a lager. i can only think that it came about because traditional home brew methods were falling short in terms of delivering a quality product. If what I end up is inferior in taste to half decent commercial brands like Heineken/kronenburg then whats the point?

i quite like a can of Heineken every now and then- sort of a pallet cleaner after overdoing it on american pales and IPAs. Also, despite my greatest efforts thus far, lager is what most of my friends still drink so id like to be able to show them that home brew can deliver as good or better results than the usual commercial choices. i was thinking of trying the fast lager method too - has anyone had any joy with this- can it produce commercial Quality lager? without low oxygen approach?

I was dissappointed with my Krolsh attempt- tasted like cheap lager. so if i am to bother i would want to be able to deliver something clean crisp and malty.

Thoughts anyone?
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby IPA » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:01 pm

Onthebrew wrote:I was thinking about trying a larger/pils for the first time.

i see on the spiedel site they recommend the low oxygen approach. The low oxygen toolkit looks only to be compatible with the new BM with cooling sleeve but not previous ones as far as i can tell so not sure it would be of any use.

The whole low Oxygen thing puts me of having a go at a lager. i can only think that it came about because traditional home brew methods were falling short in terms of delivering a quality product. If what I end up is inferior in taste to half decent commercial brands like Heineken/kronenburg then whats the point?

i quite like a can of Heineken every now and then- sort of a pallet cleaner after overdoing it on american pales and IPAs. Also, despite my greatest efforts thus far, lager is what most of my friends still drink so id like to be able to show them that home brew can deliver as good or better results than the usual commercial choices. i was thinking of trying the fast lager method too - has anyone had any joy with this- can it produce commercial Quality lager? without low oxygen approach?

I was dissappointed with my Krolsh attempt- tasted like cheap lager. so if i am to bother i would want to be able to deliver something clean crisp and malty.

Thoughts anyone?


Half decent brands like Heineken/Kronenbourg :?: I give up. Set you targets higher
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby Onthebrew » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:31 pm

That's kind of my point- if standard home practise cant even reach that level then is there any point in brewing lagers?
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby wobdee » Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:45 pm

Im pretty sure the Speidel LO kit is compatible with the older model BM's. You can still brew low oxygen without the kit, I flood the malt pipe, no sparge and have a tight fitting lid instead of mash cap and have great results.
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby Onthebrew » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:13 pm

wobdee wrote:Im pretty sure the Speidel LO kit is compatible with the older model BM's. You can still brew low oxygen without the kit, I flood the malt pipe, no sparge and have a tight fitting lid instead of mash cap and have great results.


Ok might be worth a go.

What were your results like on lagers pre low oxygen brewing?
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby wobdee » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:46 pm

Onthebrew wrote:
wobdee wrote:Im pretty sure the Speidel LO kit is compatible with the older model BM's. You can still brew low oxygen without the kit, I flood the malt pipe, no sparge and have a tight fitting lid instead of mash cap and have great results.


Ok might be worth a go.

What were your results like on lagers pre low oxygen brewing?


They were ok but just didnt have that elusive German malt flavor and aroma that I was after. Now the malts really shine through and stay that way to the last drop in the keg.
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby Onthebrew » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:13 am

is that just necessary with helles- or does it apply to all lagers and pilsners too. may have a go at an octoberfest lager instead
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby wobdee » Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:02 am

Onthebrew wrote:is that just necessary with helles- or does it apply to all lagers and pilsners too. may have a go at an octoberfest lager instead


It applies to all Lagers IMO but i think you'll notice it a little more in your light lagers.
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby Sladek789 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:53 pm

Efficiency question to LODO guys here.

I'm not ready to do LODO but I was inspired the method to do big brews with no sparge.

I did it once so far, I mashed-in on BM50 with 55L and 11kg malt and adding all sparge water (approx 13L) right after mash start, therefore the malt tube is totally submerged during mashing like in LODO method. Mash total volume of approx. 80L, I got 62L preboil and 46L in fermenter, pretty much I expected. BTW I have the BAC disk, not the BM LODO kit.

Two things I noticed, my step mash was longer as the temp raise was slower due to bigger mash volume and the malt tube removal was tricky (as submerged). But I liked the ease of not having to worry about sparging while keeping a decent batch volume, and with a bit of experience the removal of the submerged malt tube should get easier.

However both my efficiency went down a bit, brewhouse at 70% (normal around 75%) and mashing at 79% (usually 85%). I do not care much about efficiency if it is within acceptable ranges as it was, but I wish to know what to expect for next brew.
Is that efficiency in line with yours in LODO brewing? What is the efficiency using the LODO method? Ideally the figures for both brew house and mashing efficiency.
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Re: Low DO brewing method..a new approach

Unread postby brugen » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:54 pm

I tried LODO lite a couple of years ago. By this I mean preboiling the brewing water, added metabisulphite,mashed with pipe submerged and had a minimal temperature boil. I didn't use a mash cap.
The result was good but not good enough for the preboiling effort. Since then I've carried on with a submerged pipe which gives me a 55l wort after boiling.
I've never sparged with the BM50 and I got 80% BH Efficiency on Brewsmith whether the pipe was submerged or not.
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