20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Lindh » Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:16 pm

Really love my 50l. Can do 28-70l from 1.020-1.080 without doublemash, just use less water. The 3200w gets temperatures about 1-1.5c/min on the bigger batches so the power is needed! Maltpipe is lifted with a manual hoist for 5€ (6usd-ish). Very smooth, very simple. Thought a few times about the bm20 but very seldom has an extra keg of nice beer been a problem... Installed a draining valve so cleaining in place (cip) is very easy. Only lifting is after the cleaning to remove and dry out the pumps. There are many upgraders (20 to 50) but few downgraders... And few people are actually using the smaller malt pipe...
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Wezzel » Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:28 pm

I wouldn't swap my 20. Not only because there's only me drinking and I'd get bored with 50 litres of the same beer but my fridge won't take 2 fermenters.


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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby mashy » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:17 am

Have you considered a 10 ?
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Snakebite1969 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:23 am

Still don't regret my BM 50L. I think it comes down to space and not having a hand brake that restricts you to a 2m x 1m brew cupboard.

I have the ultimate collection of fridges. I'm currently only using 3 of the 7.
1) In the lounge I have a small 3 tap kegerator that holds 3 corny kegs.
2) Next up is the two 450 litre beasts each capable of holding 8 corny kegs, but since I only have 11 corny kegs, one is on standby.
3) Fermentation is in smaller 270 litre fridges which I have 2, but only one 50 litre pressure fermenter, so the other one is also on standby waiting for another Brew Keg.
4) Also got another two 370 litre fridges, one is currently being converted to hold a 160 litre water barrel to cool water to 4 deg cel and so I can cool my wort low enough to produce larger in summer. The other one is spare, never know you might need a fridge for, maybe wort cooler for second 50 litre fermenter!

Also still got my bottle collection of 50 dozen 745 ml bottles in wooden creates in the store room next to the fridges.

I will post some photos once I complete the build.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby mashy » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:28 am

Noooooo. :shock:

Don't start a how many fridges thread. I have lost count. I brew in one, which has more fridges in it.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby LMoerkens » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:49 pm

WOW, how many brews do you do per year and who is drinking all that beer when you get everything filled up :roll:
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby phlat » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:00 pm

Whoo, and I'm back. One of the first posters into this forum. Never did buy a Braumeister after all; yet. But I am a happy regular all grain brewer.

In the end I ran with a "basic" Coleman cooler & modified Buffalo boiler setup. Actually works a treat and I wonder why I'm still drawn to the very expensive Braumeister. Particularly given the gravity limitations it seems to have. I think because of....time. I'm pretty sure that's why most would plump for the Braumeister. Quick and easy; simple clean up. Maybe stepped mashing is a possible draw, but I doubt my brews suffer terribly from lack of a stepped mash. Actually, at time of OP, that was a big selling point for me, but has now become almost meaningless. Maybe you'll persuade me otherwise.

What I have found in practice, with a separates system, is that all the little activity details add up. So I'm quite convinced that the Braumeister is a huge time saver.

I'm fairly impressed with the Braumeister improvements since my first post. New ECU, rubber handles, cooling coat. I think it still has that cr*p tap though; arggg. And I still see user issues. When you pay that much, it should just work. And although the improvements are welcome, it seems too little too late.

I never say never. Want to get good use out of my current system and maybe, one day, when the recipe side of things becomes second nature, I'll then step into the easy life.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Tipsy » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:17 am

phlat wrote:So I'm quite convinced that the Braumeister is a huge time saver.


That's the best selling point for me, I can go mow the lawn head of into town or anything else that might take my fancy and it does it own thing.
I did like my 3V brewing but I was always standing not too far away from it, boiling water and such.

I sort of wish I had a 50lt for making whiskey but I think I'd prefer my 20lt for beer.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby mashy » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:10 am

Does a double mash work for whiskey?

Original 20 for me. Everytime.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Tipsy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:20 am

It's just for whiskey making I have a 50lt boiler and 60lt fermenters so I have to do 2 batches on the 20lt to fill the still.

I love the 20lt for beer because I can fill a 19lt keg with a few extra bottles, I like the variety of a 20lt.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby leosardinha » Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:16 am

My 2 cents considering I had both models.

Initially I had a 50 ltr model, used for about 5 years. I really enjoyed but mostly I did 20L batches and on a later stage I started doing 50-60 ltr batches and sharing with a friend who helped me, we even managed to do a 80 ltr low OG brew a couple times.

50 ltr is nice because of the possibility to make a lager batch but despite being a small difference it is a much larger footprint, a bit heavier and if you drink by yourself way too much beer, also remember that everything is bigger, more malt, water, wort to cool, large fermenters and so on. I took about 6 hrs to brew.

I moved to UK and bought a 20ltr model now, its a much smaller footprint and lighter. I am doing 10 ltr batches only, I really enjoy the brewdays and having a variety of beer styles, experimenting. So on the contrary it is everything smaller and it takes me about 4 hrs now to brew.

If on any given occasion I need to brew a large volume I guess I will try to push for a low OG 40 ltr brew.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Aleman » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:50 am

Ok Late input here, I don't regret the purchase of my 20L . . . especially carrying to and from the shed at the bottom of the garden, where it's stored to where I brew.

Weights are manageable, I can throw a 25L fermenter of wort around 'easily' so from brew space to FV fridge is easy . . .50L not so easy
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby f00b4r » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:48 am

I've a 20L as well and it hits the sweet spot for me; I can brew smaller test batches with the short malt pipe and I have double mashed to easily produce 50L of beer before as well, the latter does make for a longer brew day but it would only be once in a blue moon so I for me personally a 50L would be too big.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby Aleman » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:10 am

I also turn the BM into a 2V system using the 50L mash tun from my big (150L) 3V rig, I use it for Imperial stouts in a no sparge configuration. It's not as convenient but makes brewing big beers much easier.
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Re: 20 vs. 50, did you regret the size you chose?

Unread postby tsgreen » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:37 am

50. split kegs with buddies that brew with me. Image

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