baikinman wrote:Thanks for all the responses.
mbarn its bm owners like you that make the decision harder

i think it may be the bm that i go for though, i'm hoping that in the long run it'll serve me better. It surprises me that you say the grainfather is more user friendly though, from the videos i've seen it looks a bit more fiddly, things like this worry me to:
Build quality cannot be compared, the BM is streets ahead, the GF has such flimsy spot welds, the one I tested tore away at the pump recirculation pipe fixings, It needs handles.
Cheers again to all though

One example I will give on user friendly.
GF - download an app, find a recipe and then fire it to the grain father to brew.
BM - spend £90 extra for a WiFi module, have to use a website for recipes and to sync, reviews on system very mixed.
Speidel was the market leader, spent lots on R&D and produced a high quality product in the BM.
GF was able to massively benefit from BM’s R&D and the first GF was basically a half decent copy, with a little of their own innovation. GF v2 is a big step up, with connectivity built in.
The BM plus is a poor evolution. The cooling jacket doesn’t work anywhere near as well as a coil, and I’d bet money on it that the controller still mists up, exactly like mine. My general thoughts are that BM used to justify the premium over GF, no so much anymore.
P.S love my BM, but if I was buying again, I couldn’t justify the difference between GF2 and BM+.
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