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Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby mashy » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:46 am

If your mate said "I wanna brew AG - should I buy a BM20 (2015) or a Grainfather at half the price, that now has a fancy beersmith controller"

https://www.brewuk.co.uk/grainfather-co ... 90bc632d48

What would you say?
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby Batz » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:32 am

If you were in the market, and with some of the recent problems with the BM. What would you do? I'm thinking of downsizing ATM and this is my question as well.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby mashy » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:02 am

Batz wrote:If you were in the market, and with some of the recent problems with the BM. What would you do? I'm thinking of downsizing ATM and this is my question as well.



I reckon you could get the GF+alva+ posh Stainless fermenter for the price of a BM 2015 20l ? Scary but true.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby judgecc » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:23 am

I would go for the GF. Im also in the thinking of downsize my bm50. Would not buy a 20liter.

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Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby mbarn » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:19 pm

If I didn't have a 2 year old, meaning time alone is in short supply, I would have bought the GF from day 1. BM is better quality for sure, and easier to leave alone, but it's not like the beer is better, or the quality of metal etc. matters when not using often.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby btd1975 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:09 pm

I've got a BM20, to be honest with the issues I've had and ongoing niggles at that price point, I'm not overly impressed. If I bought again, it'd be the GF with the new controller.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby jerome » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:19 am

I would buy a second hand Braumeister. I did it too.

A Grainfather seems for me nothing better or easier then my old brewing setup.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby Aleman » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:54 am

Braumeister in spite of the niggles!

The one thing that disappoints me, is the lack of development around the wifi connectivity for the BM . . . Make it open source, and then we'll really see what it can do.

I don't think the BM, especially below the 200L model, is actually a main part of Speidels business, and this is the cause of the issues, they are reliant on the companies that actually do the production and that I suspect is one major cause of irritation and frustration, both to us and probably Speidel.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby Cervantes » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:01 pm

Batz wrote:I'm thinking of downsizing ATM and this is my question as well.


Batz,

I'd like to upsize. Perhaps we could do some kind of deal...............

I have the old school 20L, the one that doesn't have any problems.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby mashy » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:18 am

jerome wrote:I would buy a second hand Braumeister. I did it too.

A Grainfather seems for me nothing better or easier then my old brewing setup.




I thought about this as a solution. Difficult to find and they will still be more expensive than GF.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see the preowned price of the originals rise.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby Batz » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:49 am

Cervantes wrote:
Batz wrote:I'm thinking of downsizing ATM and this is my question as well.


Batz,

I'd like to upsize. Perhaps we could do some kind of deal...............

I have the old school 20L, the one that doesn't have any problems.


The fact that you are in WA and I'm in Qld. could pose a problem.
I'm talking to a brewer here and he is keen on an upgrade as well, he also has the hood and jacket, as I do.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby Batz » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:56 am

mashy wrote:
jerome wrote:I would buy a second hand Braumeister. I did it too.

A Grainfather seems for me nothing better or easier then my old brewing setup.




I thought about this as a solution. Difficult to find and they will still be more expensive than GF.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see the preowned price of the originals rise.


The Grainfather is coming out with the ability to do stepped mashes, I believe it will do all the BM can do. It will also have wi-fi that you can send a Beersmith recipe to and the GF will convert and input you mash steps for you.
I have not seen it but I'm interested, not convinced but interested.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby Cervantes » Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:56 pm

Batz wrote:
The Grainfather is coming out with the ability to do stepped mashes, I believe it will do all the BM can do. It will also have wi-fi that you can send a Beersmith recipe to and the GF will convert and input you mash steps for you.
I have not seen it but I'm interested, not convinced but interested.


I must admit that I'm doing fewer stepped mashes these days. Basically I've given up doing stepped mashes just because I can and am doing more single step and mash out brews which saves a bit of time on Brew Day

I find this also makes the BM easier to clean. For some reason the element stays a lot cleaner without the lower temp mash steps.

And keeping on topic..............

Knowing what I do now, if I ever had to replace the BM I think that I'd go with a simple BIAB system.
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Re: Does your mate want a BM or Grainfather ?

Unread postby mbarn » Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:41 pm

Interesting ref stepped mashes.
I upgraded from a simple BIAB setup. Much easier to clean due to concealed element, but so variable. Just hitting an accurate mash temp was tough.
BM helped me produce beer the same every time, with variations my choice, rather than a side effect of something equipment wise.
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